Twin mythologies : Merit & Citizenship
In my last post, I had pointed out that OBCs are not (cannot be) the dominant castes in the countryside, and most of them cannot be 'oppressors' of the dalits because they lack both the economic clout and the social rank (a function of their traditional, caste-assigned occupations mostly) necessary. But the chief argument Dr.Gupta put forth against reservations for OBCs was that : it goes against what he calls the 'larger democratic principle of citizenship'. He explains, in the same article : 'Reservations for OBCs are objectionable not because they would lower merit, that comes much later, but rather because they take away from the democratic, secular content of what it is to be Indian. Do we want India to become a country where people think of caste first or of citizenship? Are we to decide on our civic life on grounds of reservations and quotas or on the basis of universal principles?'
So it was the perverting of 'citizenship' that reservations would entail, in his view, that Dr.Gupta objected to..Given his principled objection, why did he feel the need to discuss the merits of the claim of the OBCs at all? And spice it up with gratuitous, unsubstantiated, information on the 'ruthlessness' of the OBCs? Is it because everyone who's someone in the media, industry, academia has declared an open season on reservations, and by extension - OBCs, and the good professor felt obliged to add his bit?
I had linked to the article in my post, and I am surprised no one took up this issue of 'citizenship', in the comments on the post.. (I've learnt now that most visitors here jump to the comments section without bothering to read the post they're commenting on .. like I said, open season and all..).
Anyway, the Mandal report sets the record straight on the inclusivity of Indian citizenship - you can also look at these post-Mandal figures on OBCs in the Central Government (Human Development Report - Caste, Ethnicity and Exclusion in South Asia : The Role of Affirmative Action Policies in Building Inclusive Societies, prepared by D.L.Sheth for the UNDP - page 72). Judging from these reports, you can hardly be blamed for thinking 'citizenship' in India is akin to membership in a very exclusive club. So what does citizenship mean for most OBCs? It has shrunk to the size of voting rights and little else.
The professor is also concerned about merit, albeit in a roundabout fashion. His views have gained common currency now - folks on the street and on television chant his views, without knowing who formulated these ideas. Karan Thapar used them on P.Chidambaram a few days ago - to enlighten him on how reservations had actually lowered educational standards in the South. Nanopolitan (a.k.a. Abinandanan), who's been conducting a very diligent exploration of the idea of reservations in the past few weeks, has recently published on his blog, a very readable 'article' on the mythology of merit. I suggest that everyone who's concerned about merit should read it.
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Read your blog, but it was very difficult for me to understand so I read Read the link to Nano ...that again Was very long but good.
On the same blog was a comment about how affirmative action is implemented in US for the upliftment of the blacks.The commentor pointed out that in US if a seat is reserved for blacks and remains Vacant, then it is opened out to the General category whites.
I am not aware whether it is true cause I am not well read on this.
But just got a question I thought I would ask you anyways. I have heard that in India if a reserved seat goes Vacant then it remains vacant/wasted.
In that light was just wondering what are your opinions about opening these seats for the general category students who may have missed admission into the institution because they have say 1 or 2 % less than the cut-off for GC but may be above the cut-off for OBC's?
If the govt really has the ability to deal with increased seats might as well have a full class,right?
What say??
all,
will be online again only late tonight - will be able to respond only then.
QUOTAS IN HIGHER EDUCATION
TO BE OR NOT TO BE
When I saw the news scrolling down a news channel that HRD ministry has proposed 27% reservation for OBCs in IITs, IIMs, AIIMSs and other central universities, I thought that the channel has forgotten to put the dot between 2 and 7, or that the dot is too small for me to see it from where I was sitting, and that’s why the actual figure, i.e. 2.7% is appearing as a terrifying 27%. Just to confirm I switched to another news channel, and another, and yet another. And I was shocked to realize that the proposed reservation is not 2.7% as I was thinking; remove the dot, and what you get – 27% is the proposed quota. Then just minutes later a news channel showed that the institutes where the 27% quota for OBCs is to be implemented have already 22.5% seats reserved. Add it, and you get 49.5% seats reserved! I was dumbstruck on seeing these figures…
MY STAND ON RESERVATION
To be plain and simple, I’m against reservation. As per the great Frank Kane (it’s me; my nickname), government is singing the rather unmelodious reservation-song to show its concern for under-privileged (which is as real as daylight in midnight), as well as to cover its inability (and disinterest) to treat the real cause. Before I put forth my arguments, I’d like to mention what the supporters of the proposed move to increase quota have to say in favour of reservation. And then I’ll counter them one by one. I like playing fair and square.
WHAT PEOPLE SAY IN FAVOUR OF RESERVATION
[Following are the views of our politicians, editors and fellow countrymen, who’ve been airing their voices on TV, editorials and readers’ columns for quite some time]
Socially and economically backward classes (SEBCs) don’t get fair share of opportunities to make it big in higher education and that the reservation is necessary for their upliftment. Statistics - tables, charts, graphs displayed on your TV show the percentage of these backward classes in the population and their percentage in higher educational institutes.
Fact is fact. SCs, STs, OBCs and other minority groups have a pitiable representation in higher education, when compared to their share in population. This is the major cause that acts as a barrier in upliftment of these communities. These students hail from communities which have suffered centuries of oppression and discrimination in past. They were not given freedom to develop, and hence measures like reserving seats for them ensures that they move ahead education wise, and thus socially. As the backward communities account for majority of the Indian population, strict measures must be taken for their development, because only then India would be able to develop as a whole. Hence the socially backward classes surely do deserve the favour.
Forward castes, which have a small share in population have monopolised higher education. Despite making only around 20% of India’s population, the forward castes have overwhelmingly dominated seats in institutes of higher learning. They don’t want other communities to come forward and progress. Thus in view of social justice, reservation is a must have.
Moreover the merit, which as argued by the general category students should be the sole criteria for admission to educational institutions, is an ill-defined word. Forward community students avail costly coaching facilities to get into these institutes, which prepares them on the established pattern of examinations. This coaching turns merit merely into a score, achieving which or not depends on one’s affordability factor. This affordability factor puts backward community students at grave disadvantage, as their forward community counterparts gain an extra edge.
These are the views presented in support of reservation. (To remind you, this is not my opinion; the opinion is strictly of Indian public and our ‘respected’ politicians. Courtesy TV and newspapers)
PROVING QUOTAS WRONG
OK, now it’s time to square off against the factors, according to many people, presence of which calls for reservations in IITs, IIMs, AIIMSs and other central universities.
You say coaching is one such factor, poor sections of society cannot afford it. Cent-percent right. But saying that general category people get into reputed colleges & universities because they can afford coaching makes no sense. If this, as argued by those supporting reservation were true, then all millionaires’ kids would have been the brightest in the country. The richer one is, the brighter s/he is.
What rubbish! How disgusting! I know that’s what you’re thinking right now. Rubbish and disgusting, that’s what the point of coaching is in this whole debate. Reserving seats for SEBCs students on this basis is unjust, considering the fact that while many students avail the facility of coaching, only few, a very few of them actually make it to the college of their choice. And those who make it are the ones who’re genuinely talented. No coaching in the world can turn one into a master from mediocre, irrespective of the money one can throw. Coaching does not mean success. Ask the coaching institute which claims itself to be the best in India (there are many that claim themselves to be ‘the’ best) the ratio of students who actually took coaching and those who succeeded. Actual figures (if they ever show you ‘actual’ figures) will confirm what I just said - that only very few of the many who avail coaching make it big.
And saying that these institutions teach as per the established pattern of exams, thus making getting into higher education easier for those who can afford coaching, is an ill-thought statement. Have you ever heard in your life, ever, about a regular pattern of JEE (IITs’ entrance exam) or CAT (IIMs’ entrance exam)? There’s no such established pattern for these exams. In fact it is said that if it ain’t uncertain, it ain’t CAT/JEE. All this talk about coaching institutes opening gateways of higher education for rich is non-sense. It’s not about coaching, it’s not about affordability. It’s about talent.
Does any one of you still believes that I’m talking crap, and that coaching does make the difference and students from weaker sections must be provided equalizer? The claim on equalizer is right in its place. The equalizer to be given should be sponsoring coaching for under-privileged, aiding them financially to avail the facilities of coaching, which will bring them on the same level with general category students. Demanding to fill the gap created by coaching is understood, but seeking reservation as substitute for coaching is like asking a BMW as substitute for Maruti.
Coaching chaos is over. Now it’s time for merit mania, which is a much talked about topic. People say that real merit cannot be determined by an examination of three hours, and that’s how able candidates from backward communities miss out. Former part of the sentence is somewhat true, latter is an irrelevant argument. Whatever the disadvantages of this merit based entrance system are, with all its pros and cons it is one and the same for all the categories of students. Even if there is some loophole in the system due to which some traits (compassion, eagerness, enthusiasm, interest etc.) of a backward community student is not recognized, then the same traits of other forward class students are not recognized as well. It is up to you that how you rate it, but our merit system's uniformity dispels all the claims that backward community students should get quota because of the system’s inefficiency.
Saying that ‘forward’ castes have dominated and monopolized higher education is an exaggeration and misinterpretation of data. Yes, students from these categories are in dominating numbers in reputed colleges & universities, but assuming that it is done with a purpose to deny education to backward castes, and that forward community people don’t want lower community people to join them in higher education is absolutely ridiculous. I ask, is there a formal body of the forward castes which makes such policies? Talking things like this is plain nonsense.
And those who think that students in such institutions are from high-class families, they can’t be more wrong. Majority of the students in higher learning are from middle class families. Stress is on the term ‘middle class’. It is the middle class that has MAJOR share of seats. I felt the need of saying this because I’ve read articles by many eminent persons, stating that higher education has become ‘a privilege of rich’. Sorry sirs, you’re absolutely wrong here. Go to any college in any corner of the country, and every second student you’ll see there will be from a middle class family of Bihar, MP, UP, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand etc. Calling higher educations as a privilege of rich exposes hollowness in the claim of implementing quotas, with politicians saying so only for the sake of saying it and people saying such things to see their name in the readers’ column in newspapers, so as to inflate their ego.
AGREEING THAT SEBCs DESERVE AND NEED SPECIAL ATTENTION
By no means one can deny the fact SEBCs have been discriminated, oppressed and denied opportunities for centuries, which blocked their chances of progressing, and as a result they are in a miserable condition today. Those who are saying that these SEBCs deserve special attention are absolutely right. Those who say that strict measures need to be taken for their upliftment are also cent-percent right. I whole-heartedly agree with that. Yes sir, strict measures do need to be taken.
BUT...
But there’s one thing I’d like to add in the previous sentence – the word ‘productive’. I think that it’s more meaningful to say that productive measures need to be taken for upliftment of SEBCs. The word ‘productive’ here alone explains protesters’ logic against reservation. Goal of quotas is to enable upliftment of weaker sections of society. Reservation is being opposed simply because it is unproductive. It’s not that those protesting against reservations are against upliftment of deprived. They are against reservations mainly because: 1. Reservation is ineffective in upliftment of weaker sections, and 2. While it doesn’t help SEBCs move up, it will block gateways of education to general category students.
PROVING QUOTAS INEFFECTIVE FOR UPLIFTMENT OF BACKWARD CLASSES
Please allow me to explain my stand on how reservation is ineffective. Let me illustrate it by an example. Consider a house, a withered house - withered by years of strong wind, withered by time, withered by nature, withered by people, in short a house badly in need of renovation. (Doesn’t this house somewhat resemble position of weaker sections?) So, what does the house need? Renovation. Right? Now answer this (please, do that): In this condition if we opt for repainting the house rather than renovating it, then is this the solution to the house’s poor condition? Will this repainting restore the strength to the house? No prizes for guessing, the correct answer is a big NO! We all feel that by merely repainting the house we aren’t improving its condition even a bit, don’t we? Now it doesn’t matter however times the coating of the paint is applied, and it doesn’t matter if we apply velvet paint, because basic condition of the house under that paint is still the same – withered, and badly in need of renovation. We’re just fooling ourselves if we think that we’ve done our duty by repainting the house. Tell me honestly, don’t you all feel the same?
A quick glance at the situation:
Our goal – improving the condition of the house
Action needed – Renovation
Action taken – Repainting
Result – no improvement
Just like repainting can’t bring improvement in the condition of the house, in the same way reservation can’t bring improvement in the condition of deprived. Good things take time. Like renovation, which is the real solution of the problem of house, takes time, the challenge of upliftment of deprived will also take time. And there’s no shortcut to it.
That was showing the ineffectiveness of quotas with the help of an example; and it’s needless to show how implementation of quotas will hammer down opportunities for general category students. Available seats are reduced to half and thus 50% of the qualified candidates won’t get admission only because their caste-certificate says ‘general’. All thanks to the vote-bank politics of the government.
IF NOT RESERVATION, THEN WHAT?
Ok, so I’m saying that reservation is not the solution to the problem of SEBCs. If not reservation, then what is the real solution that will work? Forgive me, here also I’d explain this by an example.
This time, consider a water tank, which receives water from various pipelines. (Assume the water tank to be colleges & universities and the pipelines to be different castes and communities, while amount of water refers to no. of students.) While a few pipelines release water with full pressure, many other pipelines release scarce amount of water. As a result, water coming from the ‘few’ well working pipelines occupies most of the volume in the tank whereas the ‘majority’ of other pipelines account for a meager portion in the total volume. Now we, being just, want that amount of water from other pipelines, which contribute scarce amount to the tank must be increased. So what’s the solution of the problem – securing some space exclusively for low-performance pipelines, while blocking water from other good-performance pipelines, or rightfully giving these pipelines their share in the tank by fixing their ‘real’ problem?
‘Reserving’ space to increase water-share of low-performance pipelines because they aren’t able to work at optimum level, while adamantly cutting down quality inflow from other pipes is insane. A person with sound state of mind will go for fixing the real problem. We will analyse that why ‘the few’ pipelines are contributing large amounts of water whereas why ‘other majority of pipelines’ are contributing lesser amount. Only when we get to know the root cause of poor performance of those pipelines, we would be able to remove the bottlenecks and bring these pipes’ performance to level of the other ‘few’ which have been doing well. Right?
GET TO THE ROOT CAUSE
The practical approach says that the key to eliminate the inequalities between volumes contributed by these pipes is to identify the root cause of the problem and fix it. Same applies upon the problem of HUGE difference between no. of students from forward and backward classes. Find the root cause due to which backward community students are not able to secure a seat for themselves in educational institutions, rather than spoon-feeding them. Providing crutches is not the solution to the handicap, treating the handicap is.
NOW WHAT THE ROOT CAUSE IS HERE?
You don’t need a Sherlock Holmes to figure out why backward section students fail to get into reputed colleges & universities. We all know the reason is that they don’t get quality education at the grass root level. In terms of education, they are handicapped right from the beginning. Education in their formative years is highly neglected. They’re hardly ever motivated for studying. Thus they look at studies as a burden they have to carry on just for formality. As a result, mediocrity becomes their habit and they end up doing small things.
While on the other hand, the so-called forward caste students who make it to higher education are able to do so because they are provided right education, environment and motivation right from their childhood. They have an ambition. In short, proper guidance leads them to success in their academic life.
This thing called ‘primary education’ makes all the difference. Sorry, ‘quality primary education’ makes all the difference. Privileged are those who get it and deprived are those who don’t. If the government really wants to improve the status of weaker sections of the society, then school level education must be its top priority, as it is the most decisive factor in one’s academic life. This is the time when one develops an ambition for himself/herself. The attitude one acquires in this phase paves way for things to come in future.
REALITY CHECK - TRUTH OF THE GOVT. SCHOOLS
We are tired of seeing ‘sarva shiksha abhiyan’ (education for all) and ‘school chalo’ (let’s go to school) kind of ads. We all know what the level of education is in government schools. The vast majority of children of under-privileged class who can’t afford to study in public schools, about whom our government is so concerned (pun intended), head toward government schools. Now tell me when was it the last time that you opened the local pages of your daily Hindi newspaper and you didn’t find a news like this – severe shortage of teachers (or lack of them) in a certain govt. school; govt. school classrooms being used as store rooms by some seth ji; a govt. school with no infrastructure, no facilities at all (this one is the most common). This type of news is as common in Hindi dailies as Bollywood controversies.
It has become a daily routine to see news channels airing reports like teachers of a rural school beat down children savagely for petite reasons. In such places is cane is used more frequently than chalk. And this is not one particular example, but the general condition of the government schools. Such atmosphere makes school the last place children feel like going. No wonder, ‘mass-absenteeism’ is a common characteristic of these schools. This pitiable, miserable, abysmal and dismal start to one’s academic life sets a chain reaction, where government’s indifferent attitude acts as a catalyst, end product of which is multitude of…sorry, HUGE multitude of ill-educated people.
SWEET AND SIMPLE SOLUTION
So if there’s any area that needs to be worked out for upliftment of weaker sections, it is primary education. WELL BEGUN IS HALF DONE. So to ensure bright future for everyone, make sure that they get sound education right from the grass-root level. Not only education, but they must also be provided with motivation, proper guidance and most importantly, right atmosphere.
FUTURE IS NOW
We often lament about mistakes we made in the past. Today’s present will be past in the future. So to avoid any future regrets, we must ensure that our future’s past, i.e. present is error-free. Let’s not give the forthcoming generations a chance to say that situation of certain sections of society is still pathetic due to vote-bank politics of our previous generation. Let’s be practical and work towards empowering SEBCs by focusing on their real problems, rather than hollering brainlessly about reservation.
THE END
[Note: There’s a lot more I’ve got to say about this hue and cry over reservation debate. If you didn’t fall asleep while reading this article (congrats by the way for it), then be glad, ‘cuz there’s more to come for
All,
What do you all think about this idea of opening up seats that are left vacant for non-availability of enough OBC candidates ,to the General Category?
Frank Kane what do you think?
My questions are:
1.Is it possible?
2.What are the pros and cons?
3.What will need to be done incase this suggestion needs to go to the government?
Anonymous thinks that Brahmin and Banias are BMWs and OBCs are marutis.
But doesnt he know that themost successful vehicle on Indian roads is maruti and not the great BMW which needs a autobahn.
Anyway, the upper caste elite migrates to the west to enjoy the BMWs,so why cant they leave Indians with their Marutis.
A letter to Prof Altbach,who wrote a column on the issue of higher reservations.
Respected Professor Altbach
I read your article on the issue of reservations in
higher education in India in the Indian Express. I was
wondering why a Professor from United States would
concern himself with this issue which has troubled the
Indian society for the last two months.
Consequently, I made a google search for you and i
was not surprised to find that you are one of the top
authorities on international education, and have
written prodigiously on education in the Asian and
Eastern countries.
However, what flummoxed me was the manner in which you
have put forward your views regarding the quota debate
and that too in India Express, a paper which is
identified far too close with upper caste elite of
India.
Since the inception of reervations and affirmative
ation, this paper under Arun Shourie and Shekhar Gupta
has been opposing the same.
And the reason for this is simple, Indian Express has
Ninety nine percent staff that belongs to upper caste
particulalry in the newsroom. Similar, is the case
with majority of media houses in India, which employ
only upper castes in the news room.
The lower castes are also employed but only for
scrubbing the floors, as such when you give your
enlightened views in such a biased newspaper, for
majority of Indian population, it means that you are
on the side of the high and the mighty upper caste
elite.
I have never been to USA but i believe that newspapers
in USA have a fair sprinkiling of Blacks in their
ranks, though they are bound to so due to government
rules.
As far as your arguments in the column are concerned,
i agree with you that every country requires elite
institutions to take it ahead, but i would like to ask
why these intitutions should remain only in the hands
of upper castes like the Brahmins and Banias. As far
as your conention that India has very poor quality of
education, i will say that for the last thousands of
years the education system has been monopolized by a
single caste which was not represenative of the entire
country.
What the Indian government is trying to do is just to
ensure like yours did in 1964, that sons of artisans,
oil millers, farmers, potters, boatmen, barbers are
also able to enter these elite institutions.
The reason why India is poor on quality education is
that due to socialism of Nehru and Gandhi family,
education was tighltly controlled by the government,
which was ofcourse dominated by upper castes.
So this ensured that while the kith and kin of these
people could get quality education in India and
abroad, the lower castes kept on living in the
medieval ages.
I will like to ask whether the entry of Blacks at
Harward, Yale, Columbia and MIT has made them poorer
academically or qualitatively.
You mention that the quota policy in India has been
hotly contested by the academia and the media. I agree
and will like to add that quota policy was vehemently
opposed and rubbished, not just opposed.
This happend because overwhelming majority of
acedemics, media and medicos belong to the upper
castes and they will never agree to relinquish the
privileges bestowed upon them for millions of years.
Sir, you say that the quota candidates will score 0
marks and still get admission, this is a wrong
perception of the story.
I think you are talking a lot to upper caste Indian
students and journalists and this is the reason you
have got this impression.
It is pertinent to mention here that the population of
OBCs and SC/STs in India is close to 70 crores or 700
million, and these people are quite intelligent and a
number of them are competing with the upper castes in
open category.
However, because they are concentrated in rural and
non-english speaking areas, they face difficulty in
competing with elite and once given a chance, i
promise to you that they will beat even the best
American students. Infact the population of depressed
classes in India is more than the total population of
USA.
Secondly, no one is given admission below a cutoff
percentage in India and if you compare the results of
the general and reservaed categories, you will see
that their is not much difference.
The depressed students face trouble in colleges due to
casteism and racism and that is why some of them fail
to get through. While you sit in USA , you enjoy the
benefits of the first Amendment, but just come and
visit one the villages in Uttar Pradesh and Bihar and
you will understand hwat casteism means.
We dont want an end to elite colleges but sir, what we
want is that monopoly of upper castes should end there
and they should be open to depressed classes like the
black in USA.
You have mentioned that Education institutions should
have meritocratic values but do you think that giving
more chances to depressed classes will dilute the so
called merit, when all of these institutions are
giving admissions to NRI candidates in lieu of hefty
capitation fee, where does merit go in this case.
You say, government support is must, but when the
government supports these colleges, then the can not
function as private domain of a particular caste or
class but they must share the constitutional
responsibilities. Did not US government force the
Blacks into American universities. I think even today
if given a chance the whites will like to throw off
the black yoke.
Who is stopping the Indian universities from
internationalization. Do you think quota prevents them
from getting connected. However, for Indians
internationalization means getting a positions at a US
university or in a multinational company at government
cost.
I must informa you that teaching in India is not a hot
profession, people, who have failed to get jobs become
teachers. Or else their are family teachers, who have
connections in the University and manage to get a job.
Reaserach in the Indian universities, for a majority
of them is not a top priority and neither the elite
IITs and IIms. Indians are happy with reverse
engineering and old US technology. Whatever R&D
happens is accidental and not linked to education
system.
The best and brightest in India do not like to join
academics, they prefer MNCs and US universities, where
they can earn top dollars. Now, how on earth a third
world country can pay top dollars to a teacher or a
doctor in the wake of huge demand in the USA. You need
our docs, engineers, teachers, cleaners and every one
skilled and qualified and have the ability to pay,
what can be done.
And these people are educated on Indian taxpayers
money.
Sir, you are White and i dont know your background,
but I think you never suffered casteism. Had you been
at the ends of a casteist barrage or even racism, you
would have understood better the rationale behind
these policies. I agree that politics is behind most
of the government decisions, but then it happens every
where and even in your great democratic which has
taken up the job of spreading democracy in middle east
and central Asia.
Yours truly
mineguruji
oh this blog is bigtime crap...!!
A letter from an OBC IITian
You have made me feel low again, Mr Arjun Singh
I am an OBC. I come from a place where discrimination on the basis of caste is common. I grew up hearing I was inferior because I was from a backward class. All through my childhood I regretted the fact that I belonged to a backward class.
When friends would tease me over my caste, my mother would tell me the only way to shut them up was to study well and top in class. I took her advice seriously and channelised my frustration into my studies. This brought about a big change in me: I started working very hard. From performing poorly in class I, I now excelled in studies, coming second in the district (supaul) in the class X exams in 1996.
Even after that achievement, some of my casteist friends disparaged my success, insinuating that I must have had some connection with the state government—I shared my caste with the then chief minister of Bihar. I was very disappointed. It wasn’t just the barbs of friends. My disappointment was more over belonging to my particular caste. But then once again I began preparing very hard to prove that my performance in the board exams had been the result of my own effort.
I worked very hard and got through IIT JEE 2000, ultimately obtaining admission to the B-Tech programme in Chemical Engineering at IIT Kharagpur. Initially, I was apprehensive about facing the same discrimination here as well. But I was surprised when no one asked me my caste. Nobody really cared which caste, creed or religion one belonged to. For the first time in my life, I felt a sense of equality.
It is my deep conviction that no place on earth can ever be as secular and free of casteism as IIT. Slowly, the feeling of inferiority engendered by my caste began fading away. I started believing in the equality of humankind. I started loving people—not based on their caste, but based on their values and ideas. I forgot all the discrimination I had faced earlier in life.
Looking back, I feel proud of having lived in such an environment. This place not only educated me technically, but socially as well. After my stint in Kharagpur, I believe I am truly secular. I’m not merely saying it; I feel it.
Perhaps it’s the way of the world that the moment you begin feeling good about something, it’s taken away from you. Before this 27 per cent education for OBCs was introduced, I had begun believing that India was growing not only economically, but also socially. I was beginning to feel free from the restrictions of of caste and creed.
But then our leaders reminded me of my caste. They made me feel ‘‘backward’’ all over again. They made me remember my childhood days. It has suddenly become difficult for me to feel the same as I did before this latest announcement.
I am truly worried about my alma mater. I feel our leaders are going to spoil our haven on earth for their own narrow, selfish motives. I would like to propose a solution: send all our leaders to the IITs. Only then would they come to realise the real meaning of secularism, the value they keep trumpeting. I would not take umbrage if IIT seats were given to our leaders to make them understand the true meaning of secularism.
But now I am sure that once they make reservations mandatory for admissions in institutes, equality shall be replaced with hatred and discrimination. I urge our leaders: please don’t do this to us. Our generation has changed. Please don’t separate us on the basis of our birth, something over which one has no control. We have the power to mould our destinies and fortunes; allow us to do that. We have started believing in equality, hard work and dedication as the recipe for success. Please don’t break our faith. It will endanger the unity of our nation. Please let the new generation of India live in a world where ideas matter, not the caste or religion into which one is born.
The writer was in the Class of 2004, B-Tech Chemical Engineering, IIT Kharagpur. gautamiit@yahoo.co.in
pro reservation,
hope you read this letter.that is what i meant when i said that casteism DOES NOT EXIST at the highest peaks...divisions are characteristic of the lowland...
I dont care what you'd call me this time...but i know,i know the TRUTH.
This blog is a circus...welcome one and all... please feel free to sympathise-with/kick-the-shit-out-of the merry ringmaster that is obc_voice...please enjoy your stay here... we have more OBCs if thisone bores you.
commoner,
why do you think the vacant reserved seats are so very important?
anonymous (first),
I'm sure the Prime minister would be interested in using your wise counsel on the Kashmir problem..
@anti 'pro reservation'
Though I would have liked you commenting on the topic of the post of obcvoice.
About the letter. You know what, I can write a similar letter, narrating my four years at engg college where I got admission without reservation. But I was made aware of my caste every single day. Students and Professors both.
So don't go by rhetoric and accept it.
Casteism exists at every level in India.
mineguruji,
' Had you been
at the ends of a casteist barrage or even racism, you
would have understood better the rationale behind
these policies.'
Judging from the rot many
academics here are spouting.. is it surprising that a rank outsider should have so little understanding of the subject?
OBC IITian,
So, did you mail your letter to Arjun Singh?
pro-reservations,
'You know what, I can write a similar letter, narrating my four years at engg college where I got admission without reservation. But I was made aware of my caste every single day.'
No, they wouldn't be interested in those kind of letters - they're not interested in equals. Only in self-centered "OBCs" who support their idea of 'equality'.
anonymous (last),
'we have more OBCs if this one bores you.'
where do you have them?
On the basis of your unmatched intellect and analytical skills,the profound understanding of Indian education system and an empathising heart to feel for the underpriviledged,i hereby take the humble opportunity to have your expert opinion...
"What difference would it make even if i mail it to every pro-reservationist,let alone Arjun Singh ?"
Pro reservation,
what engg institute are you talking about?
So you repent you did not use your OBC certificate but "got admission without reservation" ?
Because of your supposed humiliation, reservations are justified. (?)
http://realitycheck.wordpress.com/
@ Obciitian
So you repent you did not use your OBC certificate but "got admission without reservation" ?
Because of your supposed humiliation, reservations are justified. (?)
I don't understand where you got this analysis of repenting. May be I don't have that capacity of cerebration.
I didn't mention about my humiliation until someone pointed out your letter where you bragged about your status. You think that casteism and casteist ppl don't exist now and will come in being afer reservation. How far from reality are you ? !!!
I don't want reservation for my humiliation but I don't want any other go throug the same. Just that I don't need reservation does not mean that other don't need it as well.
Your letter was fine. You are on OBC who made it without reservation and now JUST FOR YOUR SAKE, so that no one can get to know your caste, you don't want other OBCs to get reservation.
Good that you don't want to feel backward no matter if it costs thousand of socially downtrodden OBCs. If you are from Bihar (not sure, I guess from your letter) then you might know the caste situation there.
Anyway you are well within your right to secure your interest even that goes against the poor people.
I guess your letter was already carried in Indian express so rejoice in the glory.
Anonymous and all the anti-quota guys are becoming nasty and losing their patience and this is a good sign that they are frustrated.
Despite the fact that truth and justice are contrary to their position, they are bent on rewriting history.
But, how will these guys understand the pain of oppression, when they have not been subjected to the same.
OBC IITian,
From the tone of the letter, I can see that you're quite satisfied with your own opinion. Also, this seems to be a very personal issue between you and Arjun Singh.. I don't think I, or any other OBC has the locus standi to intervene, in any manner, on this issue.
pro-reservations,
neat. very neat.
Indias Union Finance Minister P.Chidambarams interview with Karan Thapar on the program Devils Advocate aired on CNN-IBN on Sunday Jun 11 at 8:30 PM and on CNBC-TV18 at 10:30 PM.
A close shave
The highlight of the interview was when P.Chidambaram almost committed suicide when he mentioned the Sattanathan and Ambasankar commission reports. It is quite unbelievable that he mentions these two reports that point out large scale misuse of the OBC quota in TN. One would expect these two reports to be used as an argument FOR a new statistical study ! Its unreal that he escaped.
These two reports (which are 37 and 26 years old) point out large scale encroachment of the OBC quota by a few powerful OBC castes.
Both these reports talked about the urgent need to exclude the creamy layer and repeatedly pointed out that large sections were not benefiting.
The state government ignored the creamy layer removal recommendations of both these reports.
The Ambasankar commission is 26 years old. If it pointed to large scale misuse 26 years back, dont we want to find out if things have improved (or) if they have gotten worse ? What we are asking for is a new "Ambasankar Commission" in all states ? Since he has no problems citing these two reports, why on earth does he not want a new study 26 years later ?
The real reason PC on behalf of DMK does not want data is not because of the so-called forward castes. It is because they are scared of the classes that are left behind (the remaining 200+ backward classes who are not getting even a tiny share of the quota benefits) Barring the rare exceptions, barbers are still cutting hair, washermen still wash their clothes in filthy rivers, tanners still beat rawhide in unhyegenic conditions - quotas in IIT/AIIMS mean nothing for them. This is about quotas for the people who own the land they toil in , the factories they work in, and the kids of various state government officials.
If Karan Thapar had come prepared with even a summary of these two reports - PC would have been toast. That is why PC will probably not appear on this program again on this topic.
OBCvoice
I wanted a answer in Yes or No if possible.
I knew you would not answer this question. Because as even though you try to portray yourself as some demi-god social guru you are so selfish deep down that you were not even able to say "yes" if the OBC seat is vacant it can go to deserving GC student.
Your greed gets the better of you everytime.
I have lived with a few Mahar people in my village when I went for vacations (they used to work on our fields)and I know for sure that the OBC's consider themselves eg. the Nhavi class considers itself upper class than the Mahar.I have no written proof but it is true and I am borrowing P.chindabaram's line that my "life" tells me this.
What you blame the upper caste for , you people urself do to the Mahars.
Shame on you.
commoner,
'What you blame the upper caste for , you people urself do to the Mahars.
Shame on you.'
Yes, shame on me . And the rest of Indians.
You asked: 'If the govt really has the ability to deal with increased seats might as well have a full class,right?'
Before that you said : ' I have heard that in India if a reserved seat goes Vacant then it remains vacant/wasted.'
There are reservations in the states for the sc/sts and for obcs in education and in jobs. And there are reservations in central government for sc/sts .. and reservations for obcs in central jobs since 1991.
Which one of these reservations were you referring to? For SC/STs or the Obccs? In the States or in the centre? Different states have different norms for filling/ not filling vacant seats/jobs.. And the laws are different for OBCs and SC/STs..
YOur question and your later response both betray an impatience and a refusal to understand the complexities of not just reservations but also the caste system. You wanted a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer? All you want is a simple 'no' to reservations.
No, you didn't want any answers..all you wanted was an opportunity to paint me as an opportunistic individual. Well, you didn't have to go through all this pretence for doing so. Many others.. do it without much fanfare and..in much more colorful language.
About shame - did you ever feel a single minute of shame to hear that the Mandal Commission had observed in 1980 that the OBCs, who constitute around 52% of the country's population had a share of less than 5% in central govt jobs ?
anonymous (last),
for 'reality check'.. reality begins and ends in Tamil Nadu. Or should I say Mylapore?
> where do you have them?
hehe, seems like you haven't checked under your kitchen sink, you'll find plenty.
All others, don't forget to take your chappals with you when go looking. Vote for CHAPPAL.
Obcvoice
The best weapon against logic is ignorance.So you seem to persuade evrybody here.Rhetorical questions are persuasive, aren't they?
manee,
logic like the anonymous commenter before you has exhibited?
NO the logic your rhetorical question has been overloaded with.(?)
"where do you have them?"
What kind of 'logical' answer do you expect for that super-logical (read illogical) question you have posed ?
Well, after so much discussion and discourse, what is the final answer.
Do we have reservations or not ? The answer is Yes, after all the hoopla and brouhaha created by doctors, it seems that they have reconciled themselves to affirmative action in near and log term future.
The strong stand taken by the government has had quite an impact on the anti-reservationists.
Well, on my part I have decided to manage free coaching for ten OBC guys so that they can get into IIMS next year.
God bless OBC voice and all the well wishers of Dalits, the depressed.
Long live Arjun Singh
mineguruji,
god bless you..but remember, the bill has neither been formulated nor has it gone through parliament, yet..and reports indicate it won't be ready by the monsoon session. a lot can happen in the intervening period.
Dont worry mate their are enough OBC vote bank to ensure that a OBC government with full majority coupled with SC and STs come to power in the centre.
The Bill will go through, dont worry about that, the important issue now is how to have enough Dalits and OBCs in IITS, medicine, corporate structure and most importnant is media.
Another important issue is how to prevent the Sanskritization, of the backwards, so that they are not coopted by the upper caste elite by one strategem or the another.
The Brahmins and Banias are too powerful and have very strong hold on the Indian psyche, particlarly the former.
Tell me how to demolish the concept of Brahmin Devta, the devil incarnate.
Reservations – Some Questions and their Answers
*
Q: What is reservation?
The word reservation is a misnomer. The appropriate word for it used in the
Indian constitution is Representation. It is not given to anyone in his
individual capacity. It is given to individual as a representative of the
underprivileged community. The beneficiaries of reservations are in turn
expected to help their communities to come up.
Q: Why reservation?
The policy of reservations is being used as a strategy to overcome
discrimination and act as a compensatory exercise. A large section of the
society was historically denied right to property, education, business and
civil rights because of the practice of untouchability. In order to
compensate for the historical denial and have safeguards against
discrimination, we have the reservation policy.
Q: Were Reservations incorporated by the founding fathers of the
constitution only for first 10 years?
Only the political reservations (seats reserved in Loksabha, Vidhansabha,
etc) were to be reserved for 10 years and the policy review was to be made
after that. That is why after every 10 years the parliament extends
political reservations.
The 10 year limit for reservations is not true for the reservations in
education and employment. The reservations in educational institutions and
in employment are never given extension as it is given for the political
reservations.
Q: Why give reservations on basis of caste?
To answer this question we must first understand why the need for the
reservations has arisen. The cause for the various types of disabilities
that the underprivileged castes in India face / have faced, is the systemic
historical subjugation of a massive magnitude based on caste system having a
religious sanction. Therefore if the caste system was the prime cause of all
the disabilities, injustice and inequalities that the Dalit-Bahujans
suffered, then to overcome these disabilities the solution has to be
designed on basis of caste only.
Q: Why not on basis of economic criterion?
Reservations should never be based on economic status for various reasons as
follows:
1. The poverty prevailing among the Dalit-Bahujans has its genesis in the
social-religious deprivations based on caste system. Therefore poverty is an
effect and caste system a cause. The solution should strike at the cause and
not the effect
2. An individual's Economic status can change. Low income may be taken to
mean poverty. But the purchasing value of money, in India, depends upon
caste. For example a Dalit can not buy a cup of tea even in some places.
3. Practical difficulties in proving economic status of individual to the
state machinery are many. The weak may suffer.
4. In caste ridden India infested with rampant corruption, even for an
unchangeable status like caste, the false "Caste Certificate" can be
purchased. How much easier will it be to purchase a false "Income
Certificate"? So income based reservation is impractical. It is no use
arguing when both certificates can be bought, why caste only should form
basis of reservation. It is certainly more difficult to buy a false caste
certificate than a false income certificate.
5. Reservation is not an end in itself. It is a means to an end. The main
aim is to achieve the active participation and sharing by the "socially
excluded" humanity in all the fields of the affairs of the society. It is
not panacea for all ills, neither it is permanent. It would be a temporary
measure till such time the matrimonial advertisements in newspaper columns
continue to contain the mention of caste.
Q: Should there be a creamy layer criterion or not?
The demand from anti-reservationists for introduction of creamy layer is
ploy to scuttle the whole effectiveness of reservations. Even now out of all
seats meant for SC/STs in IITs , 25-40 % seats remain vacant because it
seems IITs do not find suitable candidates. Just imagine what would happen
if by applying creamy layer criterion the SC/ST middle class, lower middle
class people who are in position to take decent education are excluded from
reservations benefit ! Will the poor among SC/STs be able to compete with
these 'privileged 'students' trained under Ramaiah and at various IIT-JEE
training centers at Kota ?
Of course Not.
This will lead to 100 % seats in IITs for SC/STs going vacant.
Q: How long should the reservations continue?
The answer to this question lies with the anti-reservationists. It depends
on how sincerely and effectively the policy makers which constitute
"privileged castes" people in executive, judiciary and legislature,
implement the reservations policy.
Is it just on part of "privileged castes" people who have enjoyed undeclared
exclusive reservations for past 3000 years and continue to enjoy the same
even in 21st century in all religious institutions and places of worship, to
ask for the timelines for reservations policy?
Why do not they ask, how long the exclusive reservations for particular
community in the religious institutions and places of worship are going to
continue?
The people who have acquired disabilities due to inhuman subjugation for
3000 years will need substantial time to come over those disabilities. 50
years of affirmative action is nothing as compared to 3000 years of
subjugation.
Q: Will not the reservations based on castes lead to divisions in the
society?
There are apprehensions that reservations will lead to the divisions in the
society. These apprehensions are totally irrational. The society is already
divided into different castes. On the contrary reservations will help in
annihilating the caste system. There are around 5000 castes among the SC/ST
and OBCs. By grouping these various castes under 3 broad categories of SC,
ST and OBC, the differences among 5000 separate castes can be abridged. This
is a best way of annihilation of castes. Therefore rather than making
rhetoric about reservations leading to divisions in the society the
anti-reservationists should make honest and sincere efforts to annihilate
castes. Have these people made any efforts towards this direction? In most
of the cases the answer is NO. The people making these anti-reservations
rhetoric, all this time have been enjoying all the privileges that the
Indian caste system offers to the "Privileged Castes". As long as they enjoy
the privileges of the caste system they do not have any qualms regarding it.
But when it comes to making castes as basis for achieving social equality by
providing representations these same people make noises. These are the
double standards of highest order practiced by the 'privileged' people.
Q: Will not reservations affect the Merit?
As regards to how Merit is defined in a very narrow sense and what it
actually means, following is the quote from an article by Prof Rahul Barman
of IIT Kanpur.
"Is merit all about passing exams? After all, are the exams a means or an
end? If the exams are means to look for ability to make better engineers,
doctors and managers, then can there be better methods to look for such
ability? After all in my first engineering class I was told that a good
engineer is the one who can produce the best out of the least resources and
similarly, management is supposed to find one's way in an uncertain
situation – or allocate scarce resources in the most optimal way possible.
If that is so, whatever I have seen of our deprived masses (of which
overwhelming majority belongs to the backward, dalit castes or adivasis),
they have the astonishing capacity to make something productive from almost
next to nothing! For the last few years I have been studying small industry
clusters, like Moradabad brass, Varanasi silk and Kanpur leather. Put
together (all the clusters in the country), they are exporting more than the
IT sector and their cumulative employment will be several times of the
whole of IT industry. In all these clusters they operate with miniscule
resources – small investment, no electricity, forget about air-conditioning,
non existent roads, lack of water, and little formal education. These
clusters are primarily constituted of these so called backward/ dalit castes
and are truly a tribute to the genius that our society is. But in spite of
centuries of excellence these communities have hardly produced any formal
'engineers', 'doctors' and 'managers', and conversely these elite
institutions have not developed any linkages with such industries and their
people. "
Reservations of more than 60 % have existed in the 4 states of southern
India and around 40 % in Maharashtra since last 50 years. On other hand in
the north Indian states the 15 % 'privileged castes' have been enjoying 77 %
of the seats in educational institutions and in employment (assuming that 23
% reservations for SC/STs are totally filled, which is not the case). The
World Bank study has found that all the 4 south Indian states are much ahead
of north Indian states in terms of their human development index. It is a
common knowledge that all the southern states and Maharashtra are much ahead
in fields of education, health, industrial development, in implementing
poverty alleviation schemes, etc. than the north Indian states. This shows
that reservations have indeed helped the southern Indian states in making
progress on various fronts. Whereas lack of adequate reservations is
responsible for the lack of development in most of the north Indian states.
Q: Have existing reservations for SC/STs been effective or not?
The reservation policy in the public sector has benefited a lot of people.
The Central government alone has 14 lakh employees. The proportion of
Scheduled castes in class III and IV is well above the quota of 16 per cent
and in class I and II, the proportion is around 8–12 per cent. So, the
middle and the lower middle class that we see today from the Dalit community
is because of reservation. With no reservation, the entry of these people in
government services would have been doubtful.
The situation is similar in education. An article in the EPW (Economic and
Political Weekly) estimates that there are seven lakh SC /ST students in
higher education and about half of them are there because of reservation.
Reservation has certainly helped but there are limitations in any policy
with the way it is implemented.
Battle for brand IIT
The NRIs of Silicon Valley are worried about diluting the brand equity of the IITs.
Different concerns: Indian protesters at Sunnyvale, California.
IT was a warm sunny day in the land of dreams. Young men and women were gathered under a tree to protest against the atrocities carried out by the State; men with blaring megaphones voicing instructions, women in jeans and designer sunglasses surging politely but determinedly towards visitors for signatures on a petition that beseeched the nation’s President to agree to their demands. This slightly surreal picture describes one protest rally peopled by NRIs in the richest part of the richest area of the richest country in the world. This was a Sunday afternoon in the Fair Oaks Park in Sunnyvale, Silicon Valley, California. An earshot away were the head offices of Yahoo, Google, Intel, Cisco and other corporate outfits that have fired the imagination of youth in 21st-century India. But the protest?
`Protecting’ India
It was organised to protect India from the clutches of the OBCs. Young men and women NRIs, concerned about the reservations crisis gripping India, had come together under the shade of a Californian Oak grove, to show solidarity with their brethren sweating in the heat of Delhi and other parts of urban India. They were afraid. Clutching their algorithmic and metrical consciousness close to their hearts, they challenged the politically driven and vote bank motivated decision of the Congress regime. They collectively feared for the future state of education in India, if, God forbid, the OBC candidates infiltrated en masse into the hallowed corridors of the IITs and IIMs. They were aghast that it was their own sophisticated Manmohan Singh and not the dehati Laloo Prasad Yadav who had betrayed them.
They were not anxious about the future of their country, although they professed to be. They were concerned about their institutes. The NRIs of Silicon Valley were angry that the quality of their alma mater(s) was under threat. They feared that the intrusion of the more than 50 per cent of undeserving students riding the quota bandwagon would affect the sterling quality of the products of the IIT-IIM brand. Internal desi email groups at Stanford University, Cisco, Intel, and Google were crackling with activity to save the IIT-IIMs from the sure death of the Arjun Singh “inanity”. From online petitions to pubic meetings, from solidarity campaigns to letters to the President, Silicon Valley “Indians for Equality” wanted to desperately make an impact on the politically fraught landscape of reservations. But unlike the Indian agitators, the fear lay somewhere else. It was neither their jobs nor their seats that were at stake. Unlike the medical students, they were not planning to compete for Masters or Ph.D. programmes in the constricted postgraduate medical school seats in India, neither were they going to apply for government jobs. And neither was this display on a Sunday morning in Silicon Valley, a mere solidarity meet, as the organisers contended. There was a real, palpable fear — of “brand dilution”.
A different fear
They feared for brand IIT-IIM. “Let Arjun Singh do whatever he wants with any educational institute in India. But tell him to leave the IITs alone”, fervently remarked a Silicon Valley engineer. He was a close friend, with a Ph.D. from Stanford University, working in one of the largest multinational pharmaceutical companies in the world. We had both come to Stanford as graduate students at the same time. “It is because of us that the West has recognised the worth of India,” he furthered elaborated on his point. “Remember,” peering deeply into my eyes, he emphasised, “brand India is brand IIT.” The NRI call to save the nation from reservations was a call to save the IITs. If dams were the temples of modern India (of Green revolution, Industrialisation, self sufficiency), then the IITs were their counterparts in neo-liberal India (for Infosys, BPOs and the multiple “Silicon Valleys”). It was to save this brand in the name of the nation that agitated Silicon Valley engineers organised the protest. Ironically, more than a grave protest, it looked like a picnic on a sunny Californian Sunday.
Like most consumers and producers of any brand, IIT alumni also believe in brand IIT as the absolute marker of a product’s quality. PR firms hawk the IIT brand in the market place of corporate America, to sell its products. Adulation of the mainstream media at home and the presence of IIT lore in American popular culture epitomised by the IIT geek in Dilbert, has transformed IITs from institutions that were the intellectual keystone to Nehru’s developmental paradigm, to a sophisticated icon of corporate India’s success in the Silicon Valley.
Just imagined constructs
The pervasiveness of the IIT brand and belief in its efficacy is not restricted to the outside world, “the consumer” so to speak, but is deeply ingrained in the products and the producers of the brand itself — the IIT alumni. It appears that they are unable to recognise that brands are imagined constructs with perceived rather than absolute value. The anti-reservation voices disturbing the opulent tranquillity of the NRI-infested Silicon Valley are motivated by a felt need to protect IIT brand equity rather than a need to address the education crisis in India, although it is the latter that is underscored in the posters, pamphlets and websites of anti-reservationists in the U.S.
If the anti-reservation protests in India were largely a result of self-indulgent middle classes screaming hoarse to protect their turf in elite educational establishments, then the resentment in the Silicon Valley was a result of a more affluent, but intrinsically identical middle class protecting its own corporate motivated interests spearheaded by the idea of IIT. A career in Silicon Valley epitomises the aspirations of the privileged middle class Indians who form a substantial percentage of the students entering IITs. A degree from Stanford and a job in the Bay Area are what an IIT topper’s dreams are made of. Brand IIT sells in the U.S., and any compromise on its product quality is detrimental to the brand and its saleability, affecting ultimately the aspirations of the IIT product.
A myth perpetuated
The average IIT product believes that the IIT graduates are the finest in India that can be offered to the world — the corporate world, essentially. It is in the U.S. that the myth that brand India is synonymous with brand IIT has been generated, perpetuated and consumed, replacing the earlier narrative of India as the land of elephants and snake charmers. It is important to note that both are imagined constructions and equally unreal, produced through identical sociological processes.
These anti-reservation voices in the Silicon Valley are not to be viewed as mere solidarity songs for the student movement in India, as contended by their organisers and the press. A more insidious subtext, driven by the desire to protect the brand at the cost of the nation, underlies these protests.
As we were admiring the surreality of the protest in the land of dreams, an activist upper caste friend, one of the few who had come to distribute pro-reservation pamphlets at the same meeting, nonchalantly remarked, “Woh IIT bachana chahate hai, hum desh bachna chahate hai.”
Ashish Chadha is a doctoral candidate in Cultural and Social Anthropology, Stanford University.
on June 26th, 2006 at 9:47 pm from mineguruji
Prior to the announcement of reservations, no doctor or engineer from the upper castes spoke against casteism.
Where was all the concern of these people, who are now speaking against reservations.
I think its casteism perpetuated by upper caste India which has will destroy India rather than reservations.
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